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« on: April 29, 2006, 09:27:32 AM »

Well, I got my wiring about 99% done. The harness just needs to be wrapped.

I was VERY intimidated at first. Everything looked SO confusing. The first thing that I did was to study the Subaru wiring diagrams over and over until I had a fair understanding of what everything was and what it did. Then I decided to proceed by identifying just about every connector and eliminating what I was sure that I wouldn't need,  ABS, door card wiring, security system wiring, etc. This was really easy at first but as more and more connectors got eliminated, the identifying and tracing got harder and harder. So I found myself having to trace ALL of the wires from a specific connector using multiple schematics to determine where they all went. It may not be necessary for a seasoned converter but I'll tell you one thing, this method sure forces you to get intimate with the entire wiring system of a Subaru. To me, it was VERY insightful to do it this way. I have a much better understanding of how the entire system works.

I must admit that I had SmallCar put together a wiring kit for me (The first STi kit that they have done). I chose not to use their wiring instructions for anything except for what wires to run to their interface board. The STi has MANY more wires than the standard WRX. In my own mind, I could not trust the SmallCar wiring instructions completely. Not knocking SmallCar AT ALL, but I'm really glad that I went it on my own.

Since my Bus is a '84, it doesn't have any holes or grommets in the front firewall where the ECU wiring would come through on a later model Bus. This allowed me the freedom of placing the ECU wherever I wanted. I decided to place the ECU on the passenger side under the rear seat (just the opposite of the way VW did it on the later Buses). I did this for two reasons. One is that I will easier access to everything should the need arise. The second reason is because by placing the ECU on the passenger side, it reduced the amount of wires that I had to shorten in half, literally.

The Subaru engine connector wires from the drivers side (as placed in the Vanagon) just happen to be  exactly the right length to allow the ECU to be placed on the passenger side without any modification. This left only the shortening of the passenger side engine connector wires. As far as the wires that get connected to the Bus's exsisting wiring, most of those were long enough to cross over to the stock junction box area without modification. I did have to lengthen a few though.

Overall, I feel that given the choice, this was a much easier way to go rather than having to shorten all of the wires.

Here's a few obligatory "Holy cow, look at all of those unused wires" pictures.






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« Reply #1 on: January 31, 2007, 02:53:11 PM »

Finally finished up the wiring harness for good. That's a lot of wire to run all the way up to the front of the van.




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« Reply #2 on: February 16, 2007, 06:12:54 AM »

i'am planning to do that same thing for my Sti engine.
as i'am a complete amateur for electrics, i just wonder, can't i just pick all the necessary wires and
leave others? I really don't want to go thru all of the wires Embarrassed
Is there a list anywhere  of the wires that i need to find from the Sti harnes?

I'am sorry about my english

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« Reply #3 on: February 18, 2007, 09:45:06 PM »

Sorry, I replied to this a little bit in your "Newbie" thread.

I suppose that you could leave all of the unwanted wires in place except that the wiring harness would be much cleaner and easier to diagnose  problems if they were not there. If you don't have a diagram, which I understand are really hard to find for the EJ20K (I think that's what they call it), you will have to find a list of all the pins on the ECU and work in the reverse order from what I did. If you haven't already, look at this forum:

http://forums.nasioc.com/forums/index.php?

There are many Ecu pin lists there. They call them "pinouts".
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« Reply #4 on: March 05, 2007, 09:05:59 AM »

Did you run all new wires to dash or did you used vw's wires?
I still need to finish my friends 356 clones fenders before i get my Multivan in.
Did allready cleaned the old 2.1 and engine compartment. Now i'am trying to
figure out all the wiring. That subaru loom doesn't seem so hard anymore, thanks guys Wink
Found chrome moly flywheel with cusco sinter clutch when i took the engine and gearbox apart.
Now i need to find some good alternative without sinter, any ideas?
Bell house kit supposed to arrive this week Grin

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« Reply #5 on: March 05, 2007, 02:10:09 PM »

I ran all new wires to the front to support the Subaru gauge cluster, throttle and speed sensor but I will be tapping into the Vanagon wires at the rear for the miscellanious feeds to the ECU, etc.

For your clutch, do you know the diameter of the pressure plate? My STi uses a 240mm clutch. I'm using the stock pressure plate and Richard at RJES supplies a custom 240mm disk for my application. If your clutch is the 225-230mm version, I would think that you would want to use a pressure plate designed for the WRX. There are many different aftermarket clutches available for that application. The most popular seems to be made by ACT. I'm not sure how much hp your STi engine supposedly puts out but the early stock US WRX's put out around 227hp and the stock clutch on those is supposedly good for about 250-275hp. For the clutch disk on this application, CB Performance in California sells a heavy duty 228mm disk that fits the Bus output splines.
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« Reply #6 on: March 15, 2007, 01:48:06 AM »

back to wiring even i'am sick
i have gone thru the ecu wires and my list of wires to the front of the car from ecu are:
ign on B2
thru diode to ignition on D5
ign on A13
fuel pump relay to ignition on B12
B/R BI/R Start, key switch C10 (whats this?)
tachometer C16
check engine light D19

plus these from else where of the loom:
oil pressure light from grey plug
temp gauge from grey plug (does vw one work with Subaru sender?)
ign on from grey plug
alternator light (haven't found this jet)

and to make sure, do i need any other wires other than the ones that are from ecu to engine?
I have the ocu loom connected to engine and all of it's relays, senders, etc? And now i'am trying to
find all those other wires which i have in that list above.
Does ecu need the AC wires connected? or will check engine light go on if i just cut the 2 wires?

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« Reply #7 on: March 23, 2007, 12:21:23 PM »

Maybe you have already answered your questions, but here are a couple of answers. 

The subaru coolant temp sender may be used with the VW temp gauge, but you'll need to add a resister in series.  I think I used a 22 ohm resister.  It reads a little high.  30 ohm would probably be better.  Better yet, use a potentiometer and tweak to perfection after you get it running.

The ECU does not need to know about the AC.  You can hook those up later, if you install AC. 

/Bryan
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« Reply #8 on: December 26, 2009, 01:59:09 AM »

Schimke, I noticed you have a SCP interface board and wanted to tell you a revised/better board is available. Good job on the harness.
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